Copy of Episode 103: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

[00:00:26] Speaker A: These streets will make you feel brand new. Big lights will inspire you. [00:00:41] Speaker B: Morning, gee afternoon, gee evening. Welcome to the Giants 100 Fanfield podcast, everybody. Here at the Giants 100, we invite Giants nation to join the conversation. We talk football and you know what we do? We keep it 100 and stay true. The big blue. I'm your host, Gary Ward Junior, aka all day. Now, before we get started, we would like to remind everyone to follow the Giants 100 on all social media platforms at the NYG 100. Once again, that's 100. Hit that follow like and subscribe button for the Giants 100 exclusive updates, giveaways and more. Also, visit our website at thegiants 100 dot and sign up for your chance to be a guest on the Giants 100 fan fuel podcast and join the conversation. All right, let's get started. Thank you for tuning in today as we continue to celebrate our New York football Giants centennial season. Today's episode is called enough is enough, and it's about our zero two start, our first for day bowl as a head coach. So is it a quarterback problem, a coaching problem, or just a giant damn problem? According to Brian Dabo, the Giants will be without Graham Gnaul for at least a few weeks after pulling his hamstring trying to chase down a player on Monday, the Giants worked out four kickers to replace Gnaul while he recovers from his hamstring injury. Over the weekend, reports surfaced that not only did Gno have some leg issues on Saturday before the game, but coach Dayball also only had 52 active players available at kick off. Why in the hell didn't daybo elevate a kicker with an extra roster spot? These are the type of oversights that has giants nation in a frenzy, elementary play calling, roster oversights, and now sidelong tantrums on top of that? Is he tired of losing? Cause I know the hell I am. Are there behind the scenes issues, football issues that we are unaware of? Is he not up for the task? I'm just asking the hard questions. Okay, John's nation, where do I begin? We're all in two. What the hell's going on? Week one against the Vikings, our play on the field was egregious on all three phases of the game. I knew that on the opening drive when we couldn't punch it in the end zone, we were in trouble. We allowed Sam Donald to look like he was the second coming of France Harkington. Going into week two, our Giants lost 20 118 to the Commanders, hitting seven, yes, seven field goals. You want to hear some funny shit? According to CB's sports NFL writer Jeff Kerr. The Giants became the first team in NFL history to score three or more touchdowns while not allowing any touchdowns and still still lost the game in regulation. Now let that marinate in your soul for a minute. However, with all that said, there was at least one bright moment that wed like to shed light on. Which brings us to our next segment called rising star. Today we recognize our third round pick out of Kentucky, DB drew Phillips. At five foot eleven, 180 pounds, this young man play like he wanted to win. To me, the most versatile rookie cornerback in the league. With his 4.48 speed, I feel like he could be a real difference maker in this giant secondary. With twelve total tackles, seven solo, two tackles for loss, a QB hit and a sack, Drew Phillips is making his presence felt on the gridiron. Apparently I'm not the only one who thought he balled out. Super bowl champion Ryan Clark wrote on x that he believes Drew Phillips is going to be an absolute stud in the NFL at the nickel position. And we agree the sky's the limit. Shoot for the Stars, young man. And now it's time for a giant shoutout. Today's Giants shoutout is dedicated to New York Giants defensive end Kayvon Thibodeaux. The giant star player is responsible for creating an organization called the Dream foundation, which stands for journey to readiness and enrichment and academic mentorship, which he started during his senior year at the University of Oregon. His mission is to empower youth in under resourced areas with confidence and wisdom by providing educational mentorship and career exploration opportunities. The nonprofits inaugural gala at MetLife Stadium serves as a celebration celebration for what has accomplished and is an inspiration for Thibodeaux to continue his foundations impactful work. Thibodeaux also starred a mini mentor student community service program, offered financial literacy classes and life skills workshops across the country, volunteered at the Community Food bank of New Jersey, helped pack more than 1000 lunches for people in need in Los Angeles, and hosted a youth football and cheer summer camp as well as several conditioning camps to promote healthy living. And that's why Kayvon Thibodeau deserves a giant shoutout, because real recognizes real. For more information, go to thedreamfoundation.org alright everyone, that concludes our big blue review as we get ready for the segment we've all been waiting for called keep it 100. What's good everybody, and welcome to the fan fuel portion of our podcast where here we go 101 with Giants Nation in a segment where we like to speak our piece about the state of the franchise and no matter what, we always keep it 100. Today we have a special guest, you know what I'm saying? Repping that little rock, Arkansas. All the way out in Arkansas. Yes, we out there in Arkansas. We got my man cam. Cam is on the show. What's going on, Cam? [00:07:14] Speaker A: What's up, my man? [00:07:17] Speaker B: How's everything going with you? [00:07:19] Speaker A: Living the lie. Living the lie. That's all you can do. Living the lie. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Hey, man, I hear you on that one, man. Yes, yes. So let me ask you this, man. First of all, well, before we even get into it, man, let the world know, let John's nation know a little bit about yourself. What is it that you do, man? [00:07:39] Speaker A: I'm just, I mean, a window tenor out of little Rock, Arkansas. I rap cars, I competition tent as far as window trimming competitions. [00:07:53] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Other than that, just home with the family and the dogs. I mean, that's all. That's all the other time, right. That Sunday, don't call my phone because I'm not going to answer. [00:08:08] Speaker B: Now. I go to answer. I like that answer. I know that's right. Especially when John's football is on, man. I know that's right. Yes. [00:08:16] Speaker A: I got 7 hours straight. I'm gonna watch every bit of it. [00:08:23] Speaker B: Absolutely. Well, we're gonna go ahead, man. We gonna jump right into it. Big cam. [00:08:28] Speaker A: I got you. [00:08:29] Speaker B: Tell Josh. Tell Josh Nation, man. When did you become a New York Giants fan, man? [00:08:36] Speaker A: I guess, like, what was it? 2005. [00:08:41] Speaker B: Okay. [00:08:41] Speaker A: It really started setting in because it was right before our first Super bowl win, if you know what. I'll tell you what brought it on. I hate Tom Brady. [00:09:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:04] Speaker A: And then after that, I was an Eli Manning fan. Like, it really. Once we drafted Odell Beckham junior, that sealed the deal. That was. That was it. [00:09:16] Speaker B: So 2000. So 2005 is when you pretty much became a Giants fan after Eli. [00:09:21] Speaker A: 2006. That's kind of what I started. That's, I guess you say, even whenever I started getting interested in football. [00:09:30] Speaker B: So you weren't interested in football prior to that? No. Okay. Got you. [00:09:35] Speaker A: I was a skate. I was a skateboarder. I mean, that's what I did. You know, I care about any sports, not even just footage sports in general. Oh, five hit and see, my favorite colors, blue. So. So that kind of added to the. That started the trend. And then once we beat Tom Brady twice, that was it. [00:10:04] Speaker B: You and every other giants fan felt the same way, fam, so you ain't the only one. [00:10:09] Speaker A: Like I said, I'm Eli Manning fan. And that comes from straight up you know, I guess you could say his goofiness, his wild personality, and that's because that's who I am. I mean, you know, okay. [00:10:25] Speaker B: Okay. [00:10:27] Speaker A: But when I say goofiness, like, he practiced hard, he worked hard, he had a good work ethic like that. [00:10:37] Speaker B: He did. [00:10:38] Speaker A: His team loved him. And that's the biggest part of it. Your team got love here. They're not going to work for you, you know? [00:10:45] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:10:46] Speaker A: That's a heart to heart thing. Just same with the coach. If your team don't like your coach, it's done. [00:10:54] Speaker B: I mean, definitely going to get into that, man. We won't get into that later, man. Yes. But you know what, just to speak on Eli Manning real quick, I will tell you that I agree with you as far as his work ethic. He definitely worked hard, you know, to perfect his craft. One thing about Eli Manning, like I tell any giants fan, and I tell anybody who's a sports fan, a lot of people used to make fun of Eli Manning. I talked about this, uh, with a previous guest that I had, um, and, you know, he has the perfect fit for New York City. He has the perfect attitude, he has the perfect demeanor because nothing phases him. Because I promise you, if you let the media faze you, the fan base phase, you and everybody else, I promise you it'll eat you whole. You know what I mean? You know, you'll go crazy. So at the end of the day, man, that was my guy because, yes, he didn't express himself a lot, and no, he wasn't flamboyant or anything like that, but he had the perfect attitude for New York and that's, well, he'd. [00:11:55] Speaker A: Get sacked and get up smiling, you know, like unfazed. [00:12:00] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:12:01] Speaker A: He never got in this right here. Right, right. It was, I always, I can overcome that. Absolutely. That needs tough. [00:12:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. [00:12:17] Speaker A: Tough. Tough. [00:12:20] Speaker B: Well, let me ask you this, Cam. Explain this to me, man. Explain to me why majority of players that leave the Giants once they were considered either a flop or way too old to pay or even overprice at that position, why is it that they go elsewhere and they ball out for the very next team that they play for, allow Will Hernandez, Evan Ingram, just Julian love. I can go on. What is that? [00:12:50] Speaker A: Why is that, man? I think it's the way they get utilized. Like you're utilizing them different, you know, and I'm not even saying utilizing them different as far as, like, routes ran, stuff like that. I'm talking about where your other receivers come from. I guess you could say play layout. Like whenever you got players like that, you have to play into their hand. You know, there's, with everybody, you got a strengthens, you got weaknesses. I mean, even though they're pros, everybody got weaknesses. Alignment ain't fast. I mean, that's a good way to put it, right. But you got to play the other players to distract from that. You got to utilize them. Right. And I think that's a big portion of, I guess you could say recent day giants probably. I mean, as far as, you know, why players go. And I'm not talking about this coach. I'm talking about the last coach. I mean, several, the last decade. [00:13:58] Speaker B: Right? [00:14:00] Speaker A: Ever since Coughlin left, I can say that. Ever since Coughlin left. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Let me tell you why I'm rubbing my face right now, Cam. Let me tell you why I'm rubbing my face like this, man. I said, I say it all the time. I said, look here. Ever since Tom Coughlin left us, it's just been disastrous. I don't know what, come on. [00:14:25] Speaker A: We had, we had some downhill runs, you know, at the end of Coughlin's erade, we did, but nothing compared to what we've went to last year. Every time I turned the game or every time I turned the game on, man, I felt like I needed to turn the circus music on with it. Like, I got you. [00:14:49] Speaker B: I got you. [00:14:50] Speaker A: I've never been to that point with our team ever. Like, we've had some bad years and stuff, but I, right, that was rough. [00:14:59] Speaker B: But why do, but why do you think that is, though, Cam? Why do you think that is? Like, is it the GM? Is, is it the coaching staff? Is it the owners? Why do you think that is at this point? [00:15:10] Speaker A: Play calling? We're basic, man, compared to a lot of other team. We're basic with vanilla. Like, you know, we need to get into some of the wild stuff. Like, you know, I see all these other teams hitting some plays that I'm like, you know, for one, how did that work? For two, look what it did. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Right? [00:15:41] Speaker A: You know? [00:15:42] Speaker B: Right, right. You know what? We gonna pause on that, man. We're gonna get to that. We're gonna come back to that, man. I like, I like that answer. But, um, I know right about now, John Merrill is sick to his damn stomach right now. I know he is watching Saquon Barkley over in Philadelphia right now, looking like the superstar that he was supposed to be for us. You know what I mean? Uh, do you think he's regretting letting him go or is he just fronting for the media. [00:16:11] Speaker A: Is he regretting it? Yeah. [00:16:13] Speaker B: Yes. Do you think he's regret it or. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Yeah. As far as the coaching, and I'm one of those fans that I'm not. I love Barkley. Like, that was my dude. That was jersey I wore. I wore 26 like, that. My dude. But, and I want him to succeed. Like, I love in these. Not, I don't want Philly to win. I hate him. But, but here's the thing. I'm one of those, that Barkley's my dude, and he always will be my dude. Like, he gave us his all. Every time that dude hit the field, he gave us his all. [00:16:52] Speaker B: I agree. [00:16:53] Speaker A: I'm loving seeing him go to another, not even just them, but any other team, and ball out. Like, ball out. But I I think it's the best move for us, man. We had too many hosts. But is, is John Marae regretting it? Yeah. Like, that's the answer to the question. [00:17:21] Speaker B: No, absolutely and absolutely. Now, I appreciate that answer. Um, you said, I'm gonna touch on what you just said a couple seconds ago. You said too many holes. I mean, I agree. I agree with that. [00:17:32] Speaker A: Not even just Barkley McKinney. That dude's had a pick two games in a row. Like, yes, when he was on the field. Yeah, he had some bad games, but no, he was a stud. I mean, he was a stud. Yeah, man. And he was one of those, like, I don't know if you remember the Vikings game last year, the playoff game. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:17:57] Speaker A: On the sideline saying, before that game, pretty much, you know, this is what we played for. Like, he got everybody in a huddle. The defense, this one we played for. Like, we gotta go out here and give it our all. You need dudes like that. So I'm interested in seeing these other guys go out. But what I mean when I say too many holes is we needed to build an old line. We needed linebackers. We needed, think of every time this team's been to a, to a Super bowl, low scoring game, and our defense did what they did. And that's what we need to get back to. Like, we need that defense. Like. [00:18:47] Speaker B: Talk that talk. [00:18:48] Speaker A: I mean, that's just the wrong side of it. Like, there's too many holes in the old line is the biggest hole. Daniel Jones ain't the best. I'll say that myself. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:00] Speaker A: But at the same time, I don't care who you put behind our old line. Last year, they wasn't playing ball. [00:19:09] Speaker B: Gotcha. [00:19:09] Speaker A: They might have some good plays here and there. But they wouldn't apply. You wouldn't have balled out behind that o line we had last year. That needed to be addressed. Main priority, like, gotcha. And to do that, you have to free up money. Do I think signing DJ to his contract was a good idea? No, but do I think asking or signing Barkley to his door, letting Barkley, Barkley walk. I mean, no, I'm not mad at it. We need to free up some money like we needed to build around this team. [00:19:52] Speaker B: Let me. Let me. Let me. Let me shift to this real quick with you, man. In week one, man, Darius Slade posted an image of Saquon Barkley and his stats as an NFC champion officer player of the week last week. Right. And it's already publicly, publicly known that Darius Layton and Joe Shane don't really see, they really don't get along because, you know, remember David Slayton wanted a new contract last year, you know, and they renegotiated things of that nature. So, um. So let me ask you this. Do you think that Davia Slayton posted Saquon on his social media? Do you think that was a sign of support to his former teammate, or was it a subliminal disk to the New York Giants organization or request for a trade? Indirect request for a trade. [00:20:47] Speaker A: Man, I'll be honest. I think he's just supporting this dude. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Okay. [00:20:52] Speaker A: And the reason is, I mean, it's also been bought out. Barkley said it like, he talked. He's done. He talked to Daniel Jones. I mean, they're still, you know, them dudes are brothers, right? I'm not saying the whole team, but, you know, a few select them. Yeah. And I think Slayton is one of those. I mean, he's with the. [00:21:13] Speaker B: Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. I just, you know, it's, you know, to me, and I hear you, but my go ahead, he's. [00:21:23] Speaker A: He's another one. He's another one of those that we could have let walk. Like, as far as his new contract and all that, we don't need that. I said, when I say we need to free up money, we need free of money. Like, we last year was embarrassing, and we needed to make a big move. Like. [00:21:48] Speaker B: Okay, so let me ask you this. By you saying that. So let me ask you this. You said you we could have just let him walk. So are you not sold on devious Slayton? [00:21:57] Speaker A: Not completely not. Here's the thing. I love. I love slate. Yes. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:04] Speaker A: But, man, we knew he was drafting a wide receiver. And I'm a Louisiana state fan. I've done seen what Malik did, and I knew who they were, kind of. I knew it. I knew where they was going. We needed number one, so. And then here's the thing, Hyatt, like I said, I watch all ball. Hyatt was a demon at Tennessee. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Yes, he was. [00:22:30] Speaker A: So. And here's thing. He ain't never been really used. Wandell Robinson, I think he's a stud. Like, he good, right? [00:22:42] Speaker B: And. But, you know, it's crazy. And I was gonna say, you know, speaking of Jalen Hyatt, you know, why would. Why do you only get 14 snaps? I just don't understand that. In his past game that just happened. I'm just not understanding that. [00:22:56] Speaker A: I've thought that since, because he didn't really do much last year. And when I say that dude was a stud at Tennessee, he was a stud at Tennessee. [00:23:07] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:23:08] Speaker A: Like, I ain't saying he breaking tackles and everything else. Like Malik. Malik's a totally different baller. Malik's that. I'll run around you if you let me, but if not, I'm coming through you, right? Whereas height. You know that more. I'm gonna elude you. But we haven't even seen that he's a field stretcher. Why hadn't we seen him on no jet sweepst? [00:23:41] Speaker B: Wait a minute. Let me calm down. [00:23:42] Speaker A: That goes back to what I'm talking about, the play calling. Like, we. And utilizing them, we got to utilize these guys. [00:23:55] Speaker B: You know what, man? I'm a. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't blow your mind with that one. [00:24:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, you. You did a lot with that one, because I'm gonna tell you right now, calling in week one was sponsored by Kleenex, man. Because we were. Because we look like some straight shit. We look soft. Like, soft. You know I'm saying? And as a matter of fact, hold on. I bring out one. I need to bring out one right now. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Hold on. Who's in charge of the defensive tackling? I'm not saying defensive play, but they're tackling. They need to be fired. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Right. You see this? Hold on. I'm wiping out my tears, man. I promise you. Because it was. It was crazy. You know, I'm saying. But at the end of the day, my thing is this. Ah, man. Did. Did he do giants nation a favor by taking over the play calling? Should he give the play calling duties back to Mike Kafka? [00:25:00] Speaker A: Man. All right. I have two different feels on that. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Come on. Give it to me. [00:25:05] Speaker A: At the end of last year, I've always known Brian Devaught to be really an offensive genius. Like, that's what they said he was in Buffalo. That's where he was an offensive genius. Like, just as far as his schemes. And then here's thing. Cafe coach called last year and that complete disaster. Like, that's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. I don't even know what they were playing out there. That's just being honest. But. So at that point, I was like you. But now we got Dubal playing calls again. And now here's the thing. The ball, I'm pretty sure was playing calling plays whenever we made that playoff run. [00:25:57] Speaker B: Hmm. [00:26:01] Speaker A: Yes. Look at what we did that year. Look at our playstyle difference as far as offense. It's nothing compared to what. I don't know. What changed? I don't know, man. Because you're saying whenever we made that playoff run, we were pulling off the plays outside of the box. We were trying. We were, you know, and we're not doing that. You can't tell me that between one Dale Robinson and Jay and Malik neighbors that we can't make something shape like, you can't tell me. [00:26:44] Speaker B: Look here, man. I'm just sitting here. I'm just listening to you. And I promise you, it's like my mind is going everywhere right now because I promise you this. You are touching on things, man, that I talked to a lot of Giants fans about. And you just. Just. You hitting on them, you hitting on, you know, I'm saying that's what you. [00:27:05] Speaker A: It's just a realization of it, man. Put it this way. Daniel Jones may not be the best answer, okay? But there's ways to make plays outside of Daniel Jones throwing this ball. You got jet sweep, you got play. I mean, if you break out some play action after two downs of running, it's going to work. But you think run two downs, get yourself, you know, six yards out of that, Daniel Jones don't have to throw a long pass, dump it short. There's ways to make this work. [00:27:44] Speaker B: Cam, is it possible that maybe, just maybe, day ball is purposely not showcasing all of the playbook so he can expose DJ? Do you think that's a possibility. [00:27:58] Speaker A: Man? DJ, so, like, I mean, I got Daniel Jones helmet back there. I've looked. I've supported the dude since. But, yeah, I think he's. I'm gonna be honest. After last year in that o line, I think DJ Shell shocked. I think he's done. I. [00:28:25] Speaker B: You know what? I said the same thing to a party. I promise you I did and when. [00:28:30] Speaker A: I say shell shocked, I don't mean him play. I mean, he's in his head and forever. I don't think that. Did he have good possibilities? Yeah, I've seen him play great. Like, but not all time. Like, I'm seeing make plays that I'm like, how'd you do that? You know? But I think DJ. I think DJ's done at this point. Like. [00:28:59] Speaker B: Which leads me to my next question. When is the time to pull Daniel Jones? And if you do, do you go with Drew Locke or Danny or Tommy DeVito? I was. I always say Danny Devito. Tommy Devito. So what do you do, man? [00:29:18] Speaker A: I only reason I say would I would pull DJ is because of the injury clause in his contract. Otherwise. Otherwise you let him play it out and just see what happens. Like, just throw your hands up there. Now, here's the thing. At that point, they don't need to be, like, what you were asking me, saving Daniel? Like, you know, as far as, like, calling and all that. No. [00:29:54] Speaker B: Okay, so. So you know what? Let me. Let me double down a little bit. Let me double down a little bit. You said. You just said that. You know what? Let him play it out. But let me ask you this. Should the Giants trade for Bryce Young? They based him down in Carolina. [00:30:08] Speaker A: No, no, I mean. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:14] Speaker A: I'm. I think he's too short. I think he's too short. He's not seeing these receivers. [00:30:22] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:26] Speaker A: Or. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Or let's just say, by the sake of argument, let's just say the Miami Dolphins, you could trade with us for Daniel Jones. Did the Giants put a trigger on that? [00:30:39] Speaker A: Yeah. What did I try? I don't. Hang on, before I answer that, let me ask you. Let me ask you this. What are. What are they trying to trade? What. [00:30:51] Speaker B: What. [00:30:52] Speaker A: What's the trade line? I guess you could say that you. [00:30:55] Speaker B: Would give it, you know what, right about now, if the. If the Dolphins are looking to acquire Daniel Jones, she could trade. [00:31:06] Speaker A: They don't need him. Bad. Bad. [00:31:12] Speaker B: I got you. I got you. So I'm just saying. So if they're looking to get Daniel Jones, I would say, you know. You know, it's okay. It's kind of hard for me to say because at the end of day. [00:31:25] Speaker A: Seven, if we're talking about a 7th round pick. [00:31:28] Speaker B: No, no, absolutely not. [00:31:30] Speaker A: I would definitely talk about two thirds or even a single second. Yeah, yeah. Maybe a third and a fourth at the lowest. [00:31:44] Speaker B: Okay. I like how you talk it. [00:31:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:47] Speaker B: I like how. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Which quarterback am I starting after that? Well, you asked at the beginning, which I apologize. [00:31:59] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I apologize, man. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Tommy, now here's the thing. [00:32:04] Speaker B: You skip true lock and just go past him and go to Tommy. [00:32:08] Speaker A: Go ahead. Never seen nothing spectacular at a drew lot. I didn't like when we signed him in the first place. I thought there was better options. I hate to fire shot, I mean, but Tommy, do you like, man, I've seen some play ball out of that kid. Like, I've seen some bad stuff too. [00:32:35] Speaker B: Right? [00:32:36] Speaker A: But I've seen him make some plays. [00:32:41] Speaker B: He said, the hell would you like? [00:32:43] Speaker A: I just, plus, you know, Tommy's got that back to what we were talking about, Eli Manning and his energy with the team. And Tommy has that energy with his team when he played. [00:32:56] Speaker B: I got you. [00:32:57] Speaker A: I got you. Now what do we do after that? We drafted QB. [00:33:05] Speaker B: Hmm. You know what, boy? I'm loving the way you think. Which leads me to my next question. Oh, QB, speaking of future quarterbacks, as of right now, we are owing to. We are owing to right now, and I'm getting into that in a little bit. But right about now, it looks like we about to get the, we were probably in the top three draft pick right now. If the draft was right now, we'd be like the top three picks in the top three picks. There's been rumors that Marvel wants a man in reunion. Talk about arch maddening. Should, should the GM, should he back off and let the GM do their job or should he think about pursuing Arch Madden? [00:34:00] Speaker A: Archie Manning, Mandev, I don't think he's gonna come out until 2026 to 2027. [00:34:08] Speaker B: Yes, 2026. It's 2026. [00:34:11] Speaker A: He's eligible. He may not come out in 2020 till 2027. But, man, here's the thing. We have, we got ears in Texas. We have not seen Manning, art or arch Manning consistently play football like we hadn't really seen it. Now, whenever urge leaves, that's whenever we need to make that, like, I want to see this dude play season. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Okay? [00:34:47] Speaker A: You see what I'm saying? I want to see this dude play season. Like, you get to evaluate it. Because here's the thing. Whenever Tommy first, Tommy DeVito, for instance, first came into the game, he may play after play after play, right? But then it started declining. I mean, so I want to see him play season now. I like it. If he, I can see him play a season and he's good. Yeah, I'd be down with it. [00:35:22] Speaker B: I got you. I got you. [00:35:25] Speaker A: I just, but I want to see him play a season and then I can make that. [00:35:32] Speaker B: Okay. You know, my thing is at the end of the day, you know, going back to Daniel Jones, you try to ride with your guy, you know what I mean? You try to ride with your guy, you know what I'm saying? And everybody, you know, they say, you know, well, you know, I don't know if he can think, you know what I'm saying? He can see the field, you know, the way the field is supposed to be seen. He can't make the right plays, the right reads and things of that nature. But I want to go back to what you said earlier, and I agree with you. That's why I put my head down. I think he's show shock, you know what I'm saying? And I, and I think he show shock not because he can't improve his game and not because he can't get better. It's because like he was talking about he got hit too many times. But you know what, to all fairness, though, and that we keep it at 100 here. To all fairness, a lot of those hits wasn't because of the office. A lot. He needs to learn how to damn slide. [00:36:24] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:36:25] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:36:26] Speaker A: That usually the offensive line last year, this year it is better. This year I give him that improve line. But last year, I think by his so many games in he was to the point it wasn't even dropped back and look to to throw the bulk anymore to it was figure out where to run. [00:36:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:36:53] Speaker A: You know, that was his initial rigid is what I'm saying is figure out where you go escape to because these guys ain't holding nothing. And he knew and I think he, he just got it in his head, right. And I think that's why it's so this disastrous. And but here's thing. I think it's fixed now. And he still got it in his head. [00:37:13] Speaker B: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. I got you. I got you. Broken, man. Broke, not broken. [00:37:24] Speaker A: Broken. [00:37:25] Speaker B: Not broken. Well, you know what, man? Let me go ahead and just shift gears real quick, man. Let's talk about this defense, man. This defense that everybody was talking about, man. Damn, already you start laughing already. [00:37:40] Speaker A: Just like with Daniel Jones. I ain't giving up on hope Jane Daniel Jones this year, right. I still, a piece of me still tells me that we have good games like. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:37:53] Speaker A: But I'm finally to the point that I'm, you know, no, we might need to get rid of this dude, you know that. [00:38:03] Speaker B: On that wave again, same way. You know what, let me ask you this then. Let me ask you this, then. At the end of the day, right now, our star defensive players are not getting the quote unquote, accolades or shine that everybody expect them to have. You know what I mean? It ain't looking too good right now. Is Shane Bowens defense the right fit for us? [00:38:32] Speaker A: I think, dude, I'll be honest with you. Wink did some stupid stuff. [00:38:41] Speaker B: You are in my head, Cam. I promise you, you are. [00:38:45] Speaker A: But our defense ball, now, we need to go back to that. [00:38:55] Speaker B: I got you. [00:38:56] Speaker A: And here's the thing. [00:38:57] Speaker B: I got. [00:38:58] Speaker A: Burns is about the same kind of players. Kayvon, in a way, he's bigger, right? But in Kayvon, I mean, he got after some people last year, like, he had some shining moments. I mean, right? We need to get back to that, right? I don't think. Something's not right. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Something's not right. You know. You know what I was talking to? I was talking to a partner of mine, and just this past. This past week against the Washington commanders, you know, I was sitting there and I was looking at the defensive schemes and, you know what I'm saying? The play calling and things of that nature. And, you know, everybody's talking about, well, you know, Dexter Lawrence is not getting any sacks and Kay Von and Brian Burns. Then I'm sitting here and I'm thinking to myself, I said, yo. Okay, well, if that's the case, then. And then I saw a couple of plays where K von was being double teamed, Brian Burns was being double teamed. You know what I'm saying? So I'm thinking to myself, okay, well, why don't you try switching them? You know what I'm saying? Maybe put one to the left and one to the right. You know what I'm saying? Just different looks. And I understand that, you know, you play certain your position is your position. Sometimes it's about comfortability. You know what I mean? Some dudes are not comfortable putting their hand in the dirt. Some dudes are not comfortable standing up. Get all that? You know I'm saying? But when I see Jaden Daniels, and again for the past two season, I mean, past two games, we haven't bought a lot of blitz. We have a lot. [00:40:28] Speaker A: If you think you're gonna beat Jaden Daniels, you gotta put pressure on him. [00:40:34] Speaker B: But that's my point. [00:40:36] Speaker A: You don't, he's gonna slaughter you. Dude, they put up 400 yards. What did he do at LSU? [00:40:49] Speaker B: Come on, I got you. [00:40:50] Speaker A: He put up video game numbers. [00:40:55] Speaker B: Right? [00:40:56] Speaker A: And that's what he did. And it's. [00:40:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:40:59] Speaker A: Sorry, man. I thought our. I thought our D line. And when I said, when I talk d line, I'm talking cave on and burns. [00:41:06] Speaker B: Dexa Lawrence Burns. Gotcha. [00:41:09] Speaker A: I'll even throw a carrot cake. Like that. Pretty much, you know, the front eight. [00:41:13] Speaker B: Gotcha. [00:41:14] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. When I say, dude, our talent levels so high, we should be destroying an O line, so we should be destroying an old line. [00:41:31] Speaker B: I like what you're talking about. I like what you talk. [00:41:34] Speaker A: We hadn't done it. I was excited about our defensive line coming in. That was my minus Malik neighbors, because that's who I wanted from the get go. I was excited about D line. Like, what's this gonna do? [00:41:51] Speaker B: Right? [00:41:52] Speaker A: And you've been impressed. [00:41:57] Speaker B: But you know what I'm right about? [00:41:58] Speaker A: I don't understand how right. [00:42:02] Speaker B: But see, that's crazy to me, man, because, you know, a week ago, when Dexter Lawrence decided to address the media and say that it was disrespectful for Giants fans to boo, you know, I'm saying, to boo the team, you know, and I'm sitting, I'm thinking to myself, I said, you know what? With all due respect, you know what I'm saying? What the hell do you expect? You know what I'm saying? We know. Personally, what I think is disrespectful is the same product that's on the field week in and week out, that's disrespectful to me. You know, I'm saying, year after year, getting the same results, that's disrespectful to me. You know, I'm saying. And not getting a refund, man, for my hard earned money to go to the. To go to MetLife Stadium to watch y'all in that lackluster performance, that's disrespectful to me. So at the end of the day, I mean, there's a couple of guys that. That try to do, you know, say what they do. Like, one guy I'm going to. I'm gonna give a shout out to. And that's. Damn. Drew Phillips. Drew Phillips showed me something this past week. Shout out to Drew Philip. Absolutely. So. So come on, son. You showed up. But, you know, ma'am. But at the end of the day, ma'am, enough is enough, man. You know, I'm saying, so you know. [00:43:16] Speaker A: Who'S in charge that are tackling, like, our tackling depart. I don't know who runs that, but they need to be fired. Cuz here's the thing. We're getting. We are getting to the ball carriers and not tackling them. [00:43:38] Speaker B: Right. [00:43:41] Speaker A: What's going on? [00:43:44] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't. [00:43:46] Speaker A: I understand people break tackles every day. That. That. [00:43:50] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:43:51] Speaker A: But it seems like it's on our defense consistently. Like, and they might go through two, three, four of them. I. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Love what you saying, but I'm hating what you say at the same time because I swear to God, you are so dead. You are so right. [00:44:12] Speaker A: They hit them and bounce off of them. I mean, where's the kapow? Like, did you, did you see the way what's his name on Philadelphia hit. [00:44:30] Speaker B: That boy last night? I don't know, man. Maybe they need to put you on the defensive coach. [00:44:45] Speaker A: Maybe they're than head coach, offensive coordinator, and defensive coordinator. I think some of them other people, and I'm not saying Marin, either. Like conditioning and I. There's a reason we always have all these injured players. You know? You can't tell me that. Like, I think. I think it lies on all these little smaller coaches, that conditioning and. [00:45:21] Speaker B: Right, right. That's interesting. I like that point. I like that point because, you know, I got another partner, money. I keep saying partner because I got so many partners, men that I talked to, though. But I have a partner, mine, that said the same thing, man. He said, you know, you know, all these injuries and everything is, you know, like that going on. You know, it can't just be the turf. Now, we understand the turf is some shit, you know, saying. But it is some shit, though, but at the same time. Right, right. So I'm with you on that one. I'm with you on that one. So, I don't know. [00:45:56] Speaker A: I mean, other teams come and play on the turf, don't they? And they don't leave with the whole teams in a box. I mean. [00:46:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:46:10] Speaker A: Some of them don't, but you can't tell me all of them do, like. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:46:16] Speaker A: You can't make me believe that. [00:46:19] Speaker B: No, I got you, man. I got you. Let me. Let me ask you this, man. Is it time for us to go back to a four three defense? [00:46:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker B: Because I'm gonna tell you right now, when we had a four three defense, you know, saying we dominated, we. I mean, we put the fear into the opposing officer. So, I mean, at the end of the day, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Like I said, it's been done with three four defenses. But I said, all the time, you have to have the personnel, the right personnel in order to run a three four. I mean, you have to have special dudes to run the three four defense. But that four three, man, that's always been our bread and butter. That always been the bread and butter of the New York Giants, man. From, even from, from 2000, I would say about 2004, 2005 to after the fourth Super bowl that we won the 2011. You know what I'm saying? We've always been four down linemen, three linebackers. We've always gotten to the quarterback, these stunts and everything like that. I don't know about that, but you tell me your thoughts. Do you think we should go back to this, to this fourth, to a four three difference or stay where we are? [00:47:27] Speaker A: Yeah. That's why, that's why Dex is getting double teamed. Think about it. [00:47:35] Speaker B: I got you. [00:47:37] Speaker A: I got, think about how many o line you got if you're rushing three, right. How many is that leave on decks every time. I got you at least two. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:51] Speaker A: That's gonna open him up. But at the same time, if they try to double team Dex here and there, you know, if Dexter getting after him, which, you know, he will write Dex and get, there's some old lineman, he'll run straight through, he get that big boy coming. [00:48:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:48:09] Speaker A: But here's the thing. If you do try to throw a double team on dicks at that point, guess who coming. You opened up cave on. [00:48:17] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:48:19] Speaker A: You opened up his door. Yeah. We need to get back to that. Like, go back to what we did. That worked. [00:48:30] Speaker B: Gotcha. Gotcha. Go back to woodworks. I got you. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Now here's the thing. When I say that, there's another thing that you have to do, okay. We need to solidify these corners and we need to solidify the safety. When I say solidify, I mean we need a student, just like I said at the very beginning, saying, we need to build this defense. If we can build this defense. You don't have to put up a lot of points. [00:49:06] Speaker B: But you have to put up points, but not a lot of points, but I feel you. [00:49:10] Speaker A: You do have, you don't have, you don't have to put up a lot. And I know what. Just needs more training. Like, he, okay. I think that kids got a lot of potential. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Absolutely he does. Absolutely. [00:49:25] Speaker A: I'm not saying he sauce gardener. I won't go that far, but, but he's shown some place. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Got you. Got you. You know what? After the atrocious first half of week, one, man and I, and I'm going back and forth, man. You know what I'm saying? I know, I know. I got to, you know what I'm saying? But giants great Lawrence Taylor, man made a statement to call banks and said, I can get, he could pick 22 of his former teammates and get on the field whoop ass. Was he out of bounds for that statement or was he? Yes. [00:50:12] Speaker A: He was keeping it real. Like, think about all that trouble Lawrence Taylor been in and everything else. You think that speak his mind? [00:50:23] Speaker B: No, absolutely not. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:25] Speaker B: That's why he's the greatest absolute. [00:50:29] Speaker A: You. [00:50:29] Speaker B: Know, hey, man, look, sometimes, sometimes in life, man, you know, even though you, you have to hear the real, you have to hear the raw. And I'm going to use myself as an example because believe me, there's a lot of people in my corner, man, that helped me do what I do. You know, I'm saying professionally, personally, the whole nine. And sometimes I look at things in a certain way and I don't see in ways that they, you know, saying of what they tell me how to do it. And. And it's not because I don't want the advice or want the help or seek to help, is that when you're not used to doing something a certain way, it's kind of hard to break that mold. But at the same time, just like what Lawrence Taylor said, you know, some people, you know, they felt a little offended by his words and the tone. You know, sometimes you can say some, some real jacked up mess, but if you say it in a different way, people receive it better. Some people don't care how you receive it. Don't matter if you say it nice or if you say it, you know what I'm saying? Harshen, you know, they just don't like the message, you know what I mean? Itself, it just doesn't matter. So at the end of the day, I'm not mad at what Lawrence Taylor said because maybe that might put a little fire underneath their ass, you know, I'm saying, to get where they need to get, you know, I'm saying, so, you know, it is what it is. It is what it is. But, um, I think at this point. [00:51:48] Speaker A: There'S some college teams out there that. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Might be this, man, I just don't do that, Cam. Don't do that. [00:51:56] Speaker A: We need to get it together. [00:51:58] Speaker B: Like, right, right. [00:52:01] Speaker A: I'm sorry for our talent level. We are not this bad, right? Like, we are not this bad, like. [00:52:14] Speaker B: Right? And speaking of talent level, speak of the talent level, um, Isaiah Simmons finally saw some action on the field this week two against the commanders. He didn't, he didn't play week one, rumor had it that he got into it with the coaching staffs. So that's why he didn't play. So my question to you is this. Because he was a healthy scratch for week one, he could have went ready to go the whole nine. Now, understand that if you broke some rules, some team rules, or, you know, something, you know, that was serious or it was an egregious, you know, action. I can understand that. But, you know, if you just. Because you have some disagreements, if that was the case, if you got some right, is that enough for you not to put the best talent that you have on the field? Because that sounds like an ego problem. Me. [00:53:07] Speaker A: We are not that positioned to do that. [00:53:13] Speaker B: This is the thing. [00:53:15] Speaker A: It'd be different if this team's going off, like, without them. [00:53:19] Speaker B: Right, right. Yeah. [00:53:21] Speaker A: I can understand. We are not in the position. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Right? Absolutely. It just bothered me because I'm sitting here and I'm like, okay. And I'm not gonna say, well, sometimes one person can make the difference in the game because, hell, one playing, one play can make a difference in the game. You know what I mean? So. [00:53:48] Speaker A: One player and one play. Yeah, they started shutting him down late. [00:53:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:59] Speaker A: But they don't go down the field those first couple times. [00:54:05] Speaker B: I got you. I got you, man. You know what? Yeah, man. Let's talk about Malik. Let's talk about Malik neighbors real quick. I feel. I feel for him. I appreciate him, and I just grew another notch of respect for him for talking to the media the way. Yeah. For talking to the media the way that he did. Him. Dropping that pass was crucial. However, I will say that that did not lose us the game, man. I'm not going to know. Excuse me. And I know as a player, you know, saying, you. You try to put all the onus on you because, hey, man, look here. I don't. Because you said, I don't want. I let my team down, and I never want to let my team down. [00:54:59] Speaker A: That's who he is. I've seen him do it at Louisiana State all years, like. And whenever he met drop pass, it was this. That was what? Same thing you've seen out there. He mad self. [00:55:12] Speaker B: Right, right. You know? But at the end of the day, man, my thing is that, you know, I don't want him to get too low to the point where he doesn't have that dog backing him, you know, I'm saying, for the next following game, you know, I'm saying. And, you know, and I brought all. All of that up to say this. The commanders, I get pissed off every time I say and every time I think about. The commanders beat us 21 to 18. Seven field goals. Five, five penalties in the red zone, and we still lost. And we still lost. They beat us with seven field goals. Please, man, elaborate on that, man. Please. Tell me what you think. [00:56:05] Speaker A: Well, for one, that goes, I mean, I mean, the seven field goals goes back to tackling. Like, a lot of them guys got hit before they made extra yards to the first down. They didn't get tackled. That's some of it. Why didn't we have two kickers on the field on. On that roster? [00:56:26] Speaker B: I was about to get to that. [00:56:28] Speaker A: No injury without the. With the kicker. We were in that game. We win that game. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Like, you know what? I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go off. I'm gonna go off. I don't give a damn. I'm gonna go off anyway, because that was, that was not going to be my next question to you, but I got to now because you just brought back up burnt feelings, like you said. Why the hell did we have an elevate another kicker onto the 53 man roster when we had. Right. I'm not understanding that, but that's the type of things I'm talking about as far as a coach. [00:57:12] Speaker A: We learned this. Didn't we learn this last year, if I remember right. [00:57:17] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:57:18] Speaker A: We took Graham into a game. No one. And then he got hurt. One kid. [00:57:24] Speaker B: Yes. [00:57:26] Speaker A: Would, hang on. Didn't we have. We didn't have a kicker no more that day. Didn't we learn our lesson? [00:57:31] Speaker B: No, we didn't. But. But you're right, though. We didn't have a kicker no more that game either. And we didn't learn and learn our lesson. So let me ask you this, man, and I'm just going off the cuff of what you. Of what you just said. His day. Bo gone next season. Is he gone? Is this his last year? I just got straight up ask you, possibly. [00:57:53] Speaker A: Possibly. [00:57:54] Speaker B: Do you think he's doing this shit on purpose? Do you think that he's sabotaging us on purpose and just said, the hell with it, and I'm gonna do it my way, like Frank Sinatra. Do you think that's what he's doing? [00:58:04] Speaker A: Not. I don't know. I think some of it's holding back, DJ, because you're saying, I see Brian Dubal at Buffalo. I remember seeing that. It was, it was very explosive amongst the whole roster of play offensive players, not just on Diggs, not just Gabe Davis. Yeah. Involving all of them. So you can't tell me that this man can't make one deal. What? Robinson, Jalen Hunt, Emily, neighbors work. Every one of them is a gadget player. Oh, yeah, hang on now. Let me add Tyrone tracy to that. We got another gadget player. Kid has not only been a wide receiver in college, but then started popping off as a running back, right? Gadget player. Why are we putting these boys to use? So he could be. [00:59:20] Speaker B: Now, I'm gonna be honest. [00:59:23] Speaker A: I hope he gets a chance to. Because nobody, no coach has really ever made Daniel Jones just work. For all we know, that could be. How do we know that letting the ball go ain't our worst? Really, in reality our worst move? Like, what if, what if this is, like I said, I've always been a Daniel Jones fan, but what if he really is the problem? Like, no coach has ever made this guy work, right? What if he really. And what if we're letting go a hell of coach, right? You see what maybe like, or maybe. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Or maybe day bowl because I know he has to say the right things in public, but maybe they ball never believed in Daniel Jones and maybe that's the reason why, like we was talking about before. Is he not showing the play caller? Is he not opening up the playbook? Is he trying to expose Daniel Jones for the lackluster quarterback that he is? That some people say, you know, I'm saying just to let people know, look here, I can't do nothing with this dude, man. Here. Now this is, this is what y'all want it, right? [01:00:32] Speaker A: Maybe you go, you said something about trading he. If he did that, what would that do to the trade value? [01:00:42] Speaker B: Okay, but he's not smart. No, I got you. I got you. But at the end of the day, if you're going to trade them, like, that's why I asked you the question earlier. Depending on what the next two more games come out to, if we're owing, let's say for the sake of argument, if we're owing for do we still keep them or do we trade them? [01:01:04] Speaker A: Like I said, if there's a good three and four round three and four or two threes, or somebody say Miami. What? Because Miami's in a bad situation. Schuyler Thompson or whatever his name is. I've seen enough football out of that dude between the time he's been on the team. He not it. [01:01:23] Speaker B: I got you. I got. [01:01:25] Speaker A: Look at what you seen when he came in. When to a guy hurt, all play cease to exist. That ain't gonna work. You know, Mike McDaniel not gonna go for that. So now, now, if, now getting back to what we were talking about, if, if they want him bad enough and they offer two. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bye. I do it tomorrow. [01:01:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Bob, get your ass about him. [01:01:57] Speaker A: He's, do I have hope for him this year if it don't happen? Yeah. Am I going to boo him when he's walking off the field? [01:02:04] Speaker B: No, no, I'm not going to do that. [01:02:06] Speaker A: And the reason is, is because I want my team to succeed whether they're good or not. Like, they're depressing. [01:02:16] Speaker B: Yes, a little bit depression, but I'm. [01:02:18] Speaker A: Not going think about it. If they're all, if the whole stadiums boom, when they're walking off the field, is that making them want to come out and play ball next week? Is that making them want to get excited about playing? But so in reality, is that hurting them more? Is that hurting us more? Like, is that just taking their mentality and throwing it into the ground? I mean, I'm not gonna do them. No. I'm gonna come out the next week and hopefully do good. [01:02:48] Speaker B: No, you know what, you write on that one. But you know what? It depends on who the booze are to now. Yeah. In high sight. You know, I'm saying you're looking at it because the only people you see on the field are the players. So you're booing the players. But could it be possible that the Giants fans are not just booing the players or maybe not booing the players at all? Maybe they booing the coaching staff. Maybe they booing the GM. Maybe they booing the, you know, I'm saying, the onus, you know, I'm saying, by not putting them in position to do what they supposed to do so we can have a better product on the field and stop every damn Sunday when we go out in public and people see the jerseys and see the hats and they go, haha, you a giants fan? I'm tired of getting laughed at, man. I'm trying to get laughed at. [01:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:27] Speaker B: Feel me? I'm saying I'm tired of being messed with. Like, man, you know what? My condolences to you and your team. Sometimes we want to slap the hell out of people, man. [01:03:37] Speaker A: We got a win every day. I ain't saying we gotta go play. [01:03:42] Speaker B: Right. [01:03:42] Speaker A: But can we at least make it competitive? [01:03:47] Speaker B: Right, right. I get it, man. I get it. I get it. [01:03:56] Speaker A: Right. [01:03:57] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. You know what, man? I gotta ask you. Like I said, I've had a ball with you, man, but I gotta ask you this one last question. Boy, before I let you go, I've asked every Giants fan that I come across this question, and it's always a hot topic. Sticky barber, a hall of famer. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I could say, yeah. I mean, we ain't had too many Super Bowls, and certain people went off, Mandy, and he was one of them. I look at all the hall of famers and all these other teams. You can't tell me some of the, our dudes like, that can't be them. These dudes want super bowls for us, and we're a big piece of it. Anybody that's in that category should be. I could see that. [01:05:02] Speaker B: You know, I'm a say, just like. [01:05:04] Speaker A: I, okay, going, Jeremy Shockey. Even I can see him being there. Like, that. Dude made a lot of big plays and a lot of important times for us. [01:05:15] Speaker B: Absolutely, he did. [01:05:17] Speaker A: I'm not mad at that. [01:05:19] Speaker B: I'm not mad at that. [01:05:20] Speaker A: Victor Cruz, he made a lot of plays for us in important times. I mean, for several years. [01:05:30] Speaker B: When you talk, right. But when you talk hall of Fame, okay, you're talking about a guy who's been doing it consistently. I'm saying, whatever, whatever he's doing, he's doing it consistently, and he's doing it at an elite level on a consistent basis. Now, yes, Tiki Barber has had 10,000 yards, over 10,000 yards in his career. But the reason why I asked this question to every giants fan is because of this. And I said this to the last person I talked to. When you talk about hall of Fame is what you do in between those lines. But in today's age, in today's society, in the world that we live in today, a lot of people who are hall of Fame voters, they got different agendas. So at the end of the day, sometimes it's not about what you do in the field. It's about your perception. It's about your attitude. It's about how you carries yourself. It's about, you know, I'm saying, are you, are you likable? Are you marketable, whatever it is that their criteria is? And a lot of people say, for example, right? And I use this as example because, uh, even though he didn't play for my team, but take Terrell Owens, for example. To me, Terrell Owens was a first ballot hall of famer, no doubt. That's not even a question. But a lot of, a lot of people didn't like him. Why? Because they was, he was flat. Some people thought he was too flamboyant. Some people thought he was too outspoken. Some people didn't like the so called. Whatever antics. So called antics that he did or whatever the case may be. But he's never been arrested. He's never been in the media for, for bad publicity or press. You know, I'm saying he's never did any of those things, but he went, he didn't go first ballot. So at the end of the day, people who have the power to put you in there for whatever personal gripe they have, they can keep your ass up out of there into further notice. And that's why when I asked a question about Tiki Barber, like you said, you said, you know, you can't dispute what he did on the field. But some people may say, well, you know what I just don't like to do? I just don't like him because of what he did with this or whatever he did with that. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Are we out? Are we at? Do we care about who these people are? Do we care about. They have, they won't play football like what we do? Because here's the thing. Some of those people with attitudes are the meanest, most ruthless football players you'll ever. I tell everybody, Malik, he's got a good attitude. I'll say that. But I know him from LSU. No, when people, when, you know, when all these, all the Giants fans say he's a dog, they're talking about his plate. Like him on the field. [01:08:20] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:08:21] Speaker A: As being a Louisiana State Tiger fan. Like, we've seen him for several years all week. When I say seen him like, yeah. Other Giants fans saw flashes of him. Highlights. You're going to. But whenever you watch every game, you start seeing how some of these players are. And now Malik's got that dog in him. [01:08:43] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:08:45] Speaker A: And what I'm getting. If you wouldn't get mouthy, he gonna get mouth. I'll tell you all that right now. Right. He is that. But here's the thing. If he wasn't that way, he wouldn't have the mindset to go out there and do what he does. He does that because he has that mindset. I'm gonna hurt. I won't say, I won't say the word on your stream, but he made a comment that became, it was going around social media. I'm sure you probably know about it. He said, whenever I. He said, whenever I'm out running around, I'm just a normal person, like, that's me. He said, when I get on that field, my goals to f you up. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Come on, son. I got. [01:09:31] Speaker A: As soon as I say, yeah, Malik, let's go. That's how I want these players to be, right. Just like I said earlier bit with that. With that hit in Philadelphia, dude, Philadelphia last night. I do him and pancaked him to the ground. Like. Like, we need players like that. [01:09:54] Speaker B: Well, you know what? You know what, Cam? I'm gonna tell you right now, I agree with you because that's what giants. Giants nation. Back in the day, man, we were dirty, man. We had a culture, man. We had a grittiness. You know what I'm saying? We need to get back to that. I say it all the time, man. We need to get back. New York football, Giants. Just Lawrence. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Lawrence Taylor. [01:10:16] Speaker B: What is. [01:10:17] Speaker A: He's a great. What, did he have an attitude? [01:10:23] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:10:23] Speaker A: Jeremy shockey. He's a great. What, did he have an attitude? So, are you seeing my trend here? All these great players, right. Have an attitude. What? You know, either you're gonna let me through, or I'm gonna hurt you and try to get through. I mean, right? Like you said earlier, you said in the very beginning, soft. [01:10:54] Speaker B: So. [01:10:59] Speaker A: Let'S go play some football. Like, given rules have taken a lot of that away, but now we just seen a dude do it last night. You can't tell me you can't still make a clean, solid, hard hit. Like, I got you. [01:11:14] Speaker B: I got you. [01:11:15] Speaker A: Now. Rules have taken a lot of that away. Yes, yes. You wouldn't go play ball like Lawrence Taylor. Not. [01:11:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:23] Speaker A: They would ban you from the lead. [01:11:26] Speaker B: Absolutely. They were absolutely right. [01:11:29] Speaker A: But we got star, mate. We got star. Make solid hits, like. But who knows? Maybe Malik will get all these other players in that I told him about earlier team vibe, like, maybe Malik will get all these other players in that mindset, like. [01:11:47] Speaker B: Right. [01:11:47] Speaker A: You know, you don't let me through, I'm gonna hurt you. [01:11:54] Speaker B: You know what? I got you, man. And with that right there, we're not mean enough. Not mean enough. I got you. That right there is the reason why I like what you were saying earlier about the attitude, because we definitely have to get back to the point where people fear us, the league fears us, you know, saying, and that's where we need to get the back to even not so much as fear us, at least respect us. That's what we got to get back to. So, you know what? [01:12:23] Speaker A: Back to the basics. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Back to the basics. Back to the basics. But I'm gonna tell you some. Cam, I appreciate your time, man. [01:12:31] Speaker A: Yes, sir. [01:12:31] Speaker B: Go ahead and vote. Roll out. But you know what, Josh Nation, I want to give a shout out to you and for your continued love and support. And if you like to be a guest on the Fanfuel podcast, go to thejohnts 10 zero.com and fill out the application to join the conversation. Thank you for tuning in. I'm Gary Ward Junior, bringing you the best of all football all stars all day one. [01:13:25] Speaker A: These streets will make you feel brand new. [01:13:30] Speaker B: Get.